From: "Ben Tichborne" 
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:44:48 +1300
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> hi Ben-mick cross here.do you by any chance know if NZ ever has damaging
hail
> big enough to dent cars any info would be appreciated.
 
 I remember a hailstorm south of Rotorua (where I used to live) back in
October 1983, which smashed some car windscreens. The weather in Rotorua at
the time was unsettled and showery, but I think there had been some
sunshine earlier in the day.
The situation at the time was an unstable southerly airflow - Rotorua is
relatively sheltered from southerly quarter flows, but convective storms
can easily occur in warmer seasons. 
 That is normally the case with severe hailstorms in NZ. They most commonly
occur with cold outbreaks during the warmer seasons, when the ground has
been warmed by the sun prior to the cold change. Such severe hail is
relatively uncommon in NZ, but can occur quite frequently for certain
periods, such as the summer of 1996/97, when colder southerly outbreaks
occured more often than usual.

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From: Blair Trewin 
Subject: aussie-weather: Swan Hill demolishes its daily rainfall record
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Swan Hill has recorded 111mm in the 24 hours to 0900 this morning. 
Not only is this a record daily total for any month by a considerable margin
(previous record 68.8mm, November record 51.1), in one fell swoop
it has broken the November monthly record (89.9) and got within 
striking distance of the record total for any month (136.7). Very
impressive.

Highest total in the state was 120mm at Ultima (I think this is 
somewhere near Swan Hill but am not sure). Clusters of 80+ along
the Murray (92 at Kerang) and in the north and north-east (90+ at
Wangaratta, Edi Upper and a couple of alpine stations).

I haven't seen the full NSW or SA obs yet, or done any sort of 
comprehensive check for records.

Blair Trewin

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Music to my ears.

METROPOLITAN FORECAST
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 11:25am on Thursday the 12th of November 1998
For remainder of today and Friday   

Sydney Metropolitan:
Cloudy periods. Showers. Chance of a thunderstorm. Humid. . Light
winds tending light to moderate north to northeast winds, and
freshening tomorrow.  
Headline :    Showers. Chance thunderstorm. Humid. 
City maximum for Friday     about:    22

Sydney Outlook:
Saturday 
Thundery shower likely. N/NE wind.     City Max:     23
Sunday   
Late thundery shower likely. NE winds     City Max:     23

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From: "McDonald" 
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Hi All,
	I agree with everyone else and believe that the ASSC would be great.

	Just checked the current melbourne obs. to see a relative humidity value
at 101%.  Is this possible?  If so, how - please explain??

Andrew McDonald.

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From: Blair Trewin 
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> 
> Hi All,
> 	I agree with everyone else and believe that the ASSC would be great.
> 
> 	Just checked the current melbourne obs. to see a relative humidity value
> at 101%.  Is this possible?  If so, how - please explain??
> 
No, it isn't. Relative humidity isn't measured directly - it's 
calculated from the dry and wet bulb temperatures. It is impossible
for the actual wet bulb temperature to exceed the dry-bulb. Depending
on the tolerance of the instruments involved, it's possible that one
or both instruments are a tenth or two out, which could lead to the 
measured (as opposed to actual) wet-bulb being a few tenths higher
than the dry-bulb (which would lead to a supposed humidity > 100%).

Such an error will be picked up when the data is quality-controlled,
but the real-time obs haven't yet gone through that procedure.

Blair Trewin

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:40:13 +1100 (EST)
From: Paul Graham 
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RH values can be greater than 100% if there are not enough condensation
nucleii for condensation to occur.  Probably not likely at the earth's
surface.  In some cases, condensation can occur with RH values less than
100% - Paul G. 

----------------------------
Paul Graham
m3052695 at hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au
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Howdy all..............Thankyou all for the support with regards to the
Society. It will not be registered as a business, as we will be a
non-profit organisation, and therefore come under the Associated
Incorporation's Act. The name will be registered though, and will be solely
controllable by the Society.

Ok, so everyone agrees - lets do it. So, how about a meeting soon? Where??
I would like to nominate Sydney, 3.12.1998 at 6.30pm at a place to be
advise, possibly a inner city hotel (??). Whilst I realise that that limits
the availablility to a few people, we really need to get things moving. I
will in the next few days make application for registration of the name. We
then need to adopt or author a constitution , move it, and then fill
executive positions. Note: that nominations will be accepted by proxies,
due to the distances involved.

I would like to say the following format for the Society and the following
nominees  :

President                Michael Bath
Secretary                     Myself (as I have had previous experience
with running an Association - I currently am secretary for the Group 3
referees Assoc.)
Vice President           Jimmy Deguara
Treasurer                Laurier Williams
Information Technology Officers    James Chambers, Michael Fewings
Technical Liaison Officer:         Blair Trewin, Mark Hardy or any other
Qualified/Practicing people.

What do people reckon?? I agree with the meetings, but we will have to have
more regular meetings, then once per year. I say that those meetings
alternate between Melbourne, Sydney & Brisbane, say 1 every 2 months.

The yearly meeting, conference & other events could be alternated within
each capital State. Under the Constitution, we could authorise Sub-Branches
or Sub-Committees of the Assoc. so that each State / Territory may have its
own regular meetings.  However, they may have to be registered in the
state. But I have Dept Fair Trading looking at this for me.

The way I would suggest it is:

Australian Storm Chasers Society would be the Association.
Then there could be:
NSW Branch
Victoria Branch
QLD Branch
SA Branch
WA Branch
NT Branch
Tas Branch.

Each Branch would be responsible for its own affairs, reportable to the
executive & General Committee of the Association (which members of the
Branches would be automatic members of).

Each State would then only need

President
Secretary
Treasurer

for each Branch, responsible for collecting membership fees and
recruitment. Policy and other directions would be then given by the
Australian Assoc. to each State branch.

Membership could include: Radar, Bi-Monthly Newsletter, Website, Minutes of
all meetings being distributed.

I would appreciate any replies asap. I will in the next few days develop a
survey to determine how best the Assoc, will provide for the needs of its
members.


Yours In the Cell!
Paul Mossman
Taree.

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From: "Jimmy Deguara" 
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:48:28 +1100
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Hi Jimmy Deguara here,

I had mentioned the following yesterday. I would like to stress that
meetings can be held in other centres other than the capital meetings.
Country branches should be allowed for this to work. From my experiences in
AMOS, people in the country often feel left out and do not have any means of
attending. Of course, main meetings may need to be held in the capital
cities as Paul suggested. Meetings be held once a month. If this is the
Australian Storm Chasers Society, then it should concentrate as much as
possible on storm chasing and storms (and of course general weather).

Other considerations include:
- encouraging people to chase in their general area to cover as many storms
as possible. This is essential if we are to be successful in tracking down
storms with possible tornadoes. The tendency and temptation is to chase
together. This is good as a form of introduction, but we should try and
chase as many storms as possible during work days. On holiday expeditions,
this need not apply
- a reseach database be set up of storms chased with details updated on the
net. If there is to be a society home page, then it needs to have cgi access
to allow for continuous archiving of weather data and resources especially
because we are on chases. CGI programs allow for automatic updates and so
on.
- a safety and education based on techniques and ideas on storms and storm
chasing be published and discussed at meetings

These are just a few at this stage. I hope someone can collate this
information into one document.

Thanks, Jimmy Deguara
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Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 4:19 PM
Subject: aussie-weather: Australian Storm Chasing Society.


>
>
>Howdy all..............Thankyou all for the support with regards to the
>Society. It will not be registered as a business, as we will be a
>non-profit organisation, and therefore come under the Associated
>Incorporation's Act. The name will be registered though, and will be solely
>controllable by the Society.
>
>Ok, so everyone agrees - lets do it. So, how about a meeting soon? Where??
>I would like to nominate Sydney, 3.12.1998 at 6.30pm at a place to be
>advise, possibly a inner city hotel (??). Whilst I realise that that limits
>the availablility to a few people, we really need to get things moving. I
>will in the next few days make application for registration of the name. We
>then need to adopt or author a constitution , move it, and then fill
>executive positions. Note: that nominations will be accepted by proxies,
>due to the distances involved.
>
>I would like to say the following format for the Society and the following
>nominees  :
>
>President                Michael Bath
>Secretary                     Myself (as I have had previous experience
>with running an Association - I currently am secretary for the Group 3
>referees Assoc.)
>Vice President           Jimmy Deguara
>Treasurer                Laurier Williams
>Information Technology Officers    James Chambers, Michael Fewings
>Technical Liaison Officer:         Blair Trewin, Mark Hardy or any other
>Qualified/Practicing people.
>
>What do people reckon?? I agree with the meetings, but we will have to have
>more regular meetings, then once per year. I say that those meetings
>alternate between Melbourne, Sydney & Brisbane, say 1 every 2 months.
>
>The yearly meeting, conference & other events could be alternated within
>each capital State. Under the Constitution, we could authorise Sub-Branches
>or Sub-Committees of the Assoc. so that each State / Territory may have its
>own regular meetings.  However, they may have to be registered in the
>state. But I have Dept Fair Trading looking at this for me.
>
>The way I would suggest it is:
>
>Australian Storm Chasers Society would be the Association.
>Then there could be:
>NSW Branch
>Victoria Branch
>QLD Branch
>SA Branch
>WA Branch
>NT Branch
>Tas Branch.
>
>Each Branch would be responsible for its own affairs, reportable to the
>executive & General Committee of the Association (which members of the
>Branches would be automatic members of).
>
>Each State would then only need
>
>President
>Secretary
>Treasurer
>
>for each Branch, responsible for collecting membership fees and
>recruitment. Policy and other directions would be then given by the
>Australian Assoc. to each State branch.
>
>Membership could include: Radar, Bi-Monthly Newsletter, Website, Minutes of
>all meetings being distributed.
>
>I would appreciate any replies asap. I will in the next few days develop a
>survey to determine how best the Assoc, will provide for the needs of its
>members.
>
>
>Yours In the Cell!
>Paul Mossman
>Taree.

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From: "Jimmy Deguara" 
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Subject: aussie-weather: Storm line
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:55:09 +1100
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There is a line of storms developing behind the cloud mass. I hope this is
good news for tomorrow. This low should and associated prefrontal cloud band
is my favourite situation apart from trough lines. We need some dry air
aloft.

Jimmy Deguara
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:11:55 +1100
From: Michael Scollay 
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Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au wrote:
> 
> Howdy all...[snip]

I've kept quiet about this subject for a while but I agree that it's a
good idea. It makes sense to separate keen storm-chasers from others
more interested in general AMOS-type stuff. What would happen to AMOS
in relation to this subject?

Personally, though I'm interested in the subject of severe storms, it
is very difficult for me to commit spare time greatly beyond casual
attendance at meetings (outside of an after-hours parking-fined Uni:-)
I have a very young family of 3 boys, a backyard that looks like
what's left after a V2 head-long touch-down that followed our
extensive renovations and a job that puts me in Melbourne on the 3rd
of December in particular:-(

What I would like to see happen is that "the society" has enough
political persuasive powers and perhaps spare funding to open up some
needed BoM services like radar-on-the-web. I would join if this were
feasible. Perhaps it can incorporate registered storm-spotters also.

The credibility of "the society" is very important. Something needs to
be offered to the community in return for access to services like BoM
radar. A better coordinated storm-advisory service with formal links
to the media is one idea that could be considered. Another is a
southern hemisphere-translated storm spotters guide & glossary, if it
doesn't already exist.

I suppose the idea of a community service adding credibility "the
society" is modelled on how storm-chasers operate successfully in the
US. Studying their modus-operandi can assist our desire to gain access
to specialist services.

Michael Scollay       mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:49:50 +1100
From: Anthony Cornelius 
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Hi all,

I think it would be good if you could get some information on how to
register the society and if you could find out on some of the legality
issues, that would be excellent Paul Mossman.  

I believe this should be the current focus, the 'founding' of the
society.  Then we'll also have to talk about aims and ideas on what our
society will be about.  It is important that everyone really gets active
and 'bounce' ideas off each other, no matter how silly you think it
might be, an idea is an idea at this stage!

I agree with Paul, it should be registered not as a business, but rather
as a society, as it should be a completely non-profit organisation.

With the newletters we'll need some one to volunteer with the collation
of information and storm reports.  Perhaps more then one will be needed
for this section.  I'm more then happy to help assist in this area.

With radar, I'm not sure how we'll go with radar.  I've been talking
with a few people, and everyone that I have talked to seems to agree
that we should try and work along side the BoM, and especially help in
issuing severe thunderstorm warnings for areas.  I don't think they'll
give free radar, but if the society itself were the purchase it, then
perhaps radar access could be given to all of its members.  However this
would have to be clarified with the BoM first, as the last thing we want
to do is have a bad commencement with the BoM.  

Mark said he might know some one in the BoM that could help us out in
the area where we might be able to work with the BoM in the issuing of
severe thunderstorm warnings.  I think if Mark could do that, that would
be an excellent start, as the last thing we want to do is work against
the BoM as that would be futile.

As with the meetings, to be honest I believe that the best place for a
meeting would actually be on the internet in a chat room.  As no matter
what city or town the first meeting will be held in, only a handfull of
people would be able to attend.  Certainly, after the society is founded
then individual meetings would prove very fruitful.  As for the
"executive committee" I believe that one should be adequete.  With the
society, we'll only have a few members to commence with, and I don't
ever see the society becoming so large that it will require different
state presidents.  One president of the society will most likely be
sufficient.  And if the society does become large enough to support
state presidents then we can deal with that accordingly.

I believe that our primary focus should be on the founding of the
society.  We should also keep our visions and ambitions in the back of
our mind though, to asist in keeping us motivated, focuses and
determined on the task at hand.

Again, if Paul could start finding out the legality issues, that would
be our first step forward to ASSC or SCA

Anthony Cornelius

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From: "Jimmy Deguara" 
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Subject: aussie-weather: Storm cells
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:46:01 +1100
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The latest satpic shows some cells developing to the west and more have
developed since the previous hour. Hoping for at least a better lightning
show.

The footage from last Saturday night wasn't as good as I had anticipated.
There were some good bolts but the western view is my worst view as too many
obstacles limit the view.

Jimmy Deguara
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From: "Jimmy Deguara" 
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:53:49 +1100
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Jimmy Deguara here

I agree with Anthony on the issues regarding BOM and so on.

I think most people thought I meant having one meeting here this month,
another months meeting in Taree and so on. However, I believe that meetings
be held in the different centres. What I mean by this, there may be one
around Newcastle to attract those up their and on adifferent part of the
month (the same monthly meeting may be held in Sydney. I am not a fan of
varying meeting venues but only would like to give people a chance to meet
others and others to meet them....

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-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Cornelius 
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Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 5:48 PM
Subject: aussie-weather: Australian Storm Chasing Society


>Hi all,
>
>I think it would be good if you could get some information on how to
>register the society and if you could find out on some of the legality
>issues, that would be excellent Paul Mossman.
>
>I believe this should be the current focus, the 'founding' of the
>society.  Then we'll also have to talk about aims and ideas on what our
>society will be about.  It is important that everyone really gets active
>and 'bounce' ideas off each other, no matter how silly you think it
>might be, an idea is an idea at this stage!
>
>I agree with Paul, it should be registered not as a business, but rather
>as a society, as it should be a completely non-profit organisation.
>
>With the newletters we'll need some one to volunteer with the collation
>of information and storm reports.  Perhaps more then one will be needed
>for this section.  I'm more then happy to help assist in this area.
>
>With radar, I'm not sure how we'll go with radar.  I've been talking
>with a few people, and everyone that I have talked to seems to agree
>that we should try and work along side the BoM, and especially help in
>issuing severe thunderstorm warnings for areas.  I don't think they'll
>give free radar, but if the society itself were the purchase it, then
>perhaps radar access could be given to all of its members.  However this
>would have to be clarified with the BoM first, as the last thing we want
>to do is have a bad commencement with the BoM.
>
>Mark said he might know some one in the BoM that could help us out in
>the area where we might be able to work with the BoM in the issuing of
>severe thunderstorm warnings.  I think if Mark could do that, that would
>be an excellent start, as the last thing we want to do is work against
>the BoM as that would be futile.
>
>As with the meetings, to be honest I believe that the best place for a
>meeting would actually be on the internet in a chat room.  As no matter
>what city or town the first meeting will be held in, only a handfull of
>people would be able to attend.  Certainly, after the society is founded
>then individual meetings would prove very fruitful.  As for the
>"executive committee" I believe that one should be adequete.  With the
>society, we'll only have a few members to commence with, and I don't
>ever see the society becoming so large that it will require different
>state presidents.  One president of the society will most likely be
>sufficient.  And if the society does become large enough to support
>state presidents then we can deal with that accordingly.
>
>I believe that our primary focus should be on the founding of the
>society.  We should also keep our visions and ambitions in the back of
>our mind though, to asist in keeping us motivated, focuses and
>determined on the task at hand.
>
>Again, if Paul could start finding out the legality issues, that would
>be our first step forward to ASSC or SCA
>
>Anthony Cornelius

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From: "Keith Evans" 
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Subject: aussie-weather: aussie weather:Tornado???
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:24:19 +0800
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Hi All,
Im new to this so I hope this works :)
I was just checking out the 3pm obs for QLD this afternoon with all the rain and cloud they have about..
I found this very interesting...
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDO31Q02.txt
Tambo         ! 8 ! W     7 ! 22      . 23      !   9  !FUNNEL CLOUD
Anyone from around Tambo?        
  
Jason AKA JuNgLeJiM
Karratha W.A

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From: "Jimmy Deguara" 
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:33:38 +1100
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Thanks for that observation. I am not really surprised that such observations occur in this type of weather. The NE quadrant of a low is the best area for severe weather and tornadic activity to occur.
  
Jimmy Deguara
 -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Evans 
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Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 7:30 PM
Subject: aussie-weather: aussie weather:Tornado???

 Hi All,
 Im new to this so I hope this works :)
 I was just checking out the 3pm obs for QLD this afternoon with all the rain and cloud they have about..
 I found this very interesting...
 http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDO31Q02.txt
 Tambo         ! 8 ! W     7 ! 22      . 23      !   9  !FUNNEL CLOUD
 Anyone from around Tambo?        
  
 Jason AKA JuNgLeJiM
 Karratha W.A

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From: "Jimmy Deguara" 
To: 
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: aussie weather:Tornado???
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:37:50 +1100
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On another note, could people in Qld tell us what is happening in southern Qld. I am quite interested in the activity there.
  
Jimmy Deguara
 -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Evans 
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 7:30 PM
Subject: aussie-weather: aussie weather:Tornado???

 Hi All,
 Im new to this so I hope this works :)
 I was just checking out the 3pm obs for QLD this afternoon with all the rain and cloud they have about..
 I found this very interesting...
 http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDO31Q02.txt
 Tambo         ! 8 ! W     7 ! 22      . 23      !   9  !FUNNEL CLOUD
 Anyone from around Tambo?        
  
 Jason AKA JuNgLeJiM
 Karratha W.A

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On another note, could people in Qld tell us what is happening in southern Qld. I am quite interested in the activity there.
  
 Jimmy Deguara
  
  
There is not very much happening here at the moment :( has been some light rain falling on and off all day.  By the looks of the latest sat pic the heavy rain is not too far away.
  
 Also Tambo (Central West) is on the NW edge of the rain band in central Qld ftp://ftp.ece.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausvlast.gif so a funnel cloud could be very much possible.  Hopefully we get some of that action down here in brisbane tomorrow.
  
 l8tr

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There is a band of storms in S Qld just after the rain band. This is also the case in NSW. I believe, storms tonight and then tomorrow as well. Should be interesting. I don't like to make brave predictions just in case I scare the storms away.
  
Jimmy Deguara
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Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 8:03 PM
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On another note, could people in Qld tell us what is happening in southern Qld. I am quite interested in the activity there.
  
 Jimmy Deguara
  
  
There is not very much happening here at the moment :( has been some light rain falling on and off all day.  By the looks of the latest sat pic the heavy rain is not too far away.
  
 Also Tambo (Central West) is on the NW edge of the rain band in central Qld ftp://ftp.ece.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausvlast.gif so a funnel cloud could be very much possible.  Hopefully we get some of that action down here in brisbane tomorrow.
  
 l8tr

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...or if the pressure is REAL weird! :))

Kevin.

>Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:40:13 +1100 (EST)
>From: Paul Graham 
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>RH values can be greater than 100% if there are not enough condensation
>nucleii for condensation to occur.  Probably not likely at the earth's
>surface.  In some cases, condensation can occur with RH values less 
than
>100% - Paul G. 

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Paul.
I thought RH was the amount of water vapour in the air compared to the 
maximum amount that it can hold at that temperature. Aren't condensation 
nuclei only necessary for liquid water?

Kevin.

>Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:40:13 +1100 (EST)
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>RH values can be greater than 100% if there are not enough condensation
>nucleii for condensation to occur.  Probably not likely at the earth's
>surface.  In some cases, condensation can occur with RH values less 
than
>100% - Paul G. 

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Blair,
Yes, Ultima is about 30 kms. from Swan Hill. They must have got quite a 
storm. In Wycheproof (96 kms. road distance from Swan Hill) we only 
recorded 58 mm. (up till 8 p.m. today!) By the way, do you know what 
Wycheproof's highest daily rainfall record is?

Yours, 
Kevin Phyland.

>From: Blair Trewin 
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>Swan Hill has recorded 111mm in the 24 hours to 0900 this morning. 
>Not only is this a record daily total for any month by a considerable 
margin
>(previous record 68.8mm, November record 51.1), in one fell swoop
>it has broken the November monthly record (89.9) and got within 
>striking distance of the record total for any month (136.7). Very
>impressive.
>
>Highest total in the state was 120mm at Ultima (I think this is 
>somewhere near Swan Hill but am not sure). Clusters of 80+ along
>the Murray (92 at Kerang) and in the north and north-east (90+ at
>Wangaratta, Edi Upper and a couple of alpine stations).
>
>I haven't seen the full NSW or SA obs yet, or done any sort of 
>comprehensive check for records.
>
>Blair Trewin

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Paul,
Sounds great!
Yours in VR.
Kevin.

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>Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:16:38 +1000
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>
>Howdy all..............Thankyou all for the support with regards to the
>Society. It will not be registered as a business, as we will be a
>non-profit organisation, and therefore come under the Associated
>Incorporation's Act. The name will be registered though, and will be 
solely
>controllable by the Society.
>
>Ok, so everyone agrees - lets do it. So, how about a meeting soon? 
Where??
>I would like to nominate Sydney, 3.12.1998 at 6.30pm at a place to be
>advise, possibly a inner city hotel (??). Whilst I realise that that 
limits
>the availablility to a few people, we really need to get things moving. 
I
>will in the next few days make application for registration of the 
name. We
>then need to adopt or author a constitution , move it, and then fill
>executive positions. Note: that nominations will be accepted by 
proxies,
>due to the distances involved.
>
>I would like to say the following format for the Society and the 
following
>nominees  :
>
>President                Michael Bath
>Secretary                     Myself (as I have had previous experience
>with running an Association - I currently am secretary for the Group 3
>referees Assoc.)
>Vice President           Jimmy Deguara
>Treasurer                Laurier Williams
>Information Technology Officers    James Chambers, Michael Fewings
>Technical Liaison Officer:         Blair Trewin, Mark Hardy or any 
other
>Qualified/Practicing people.
>
>What do people reckon?? I agree with the meetings, but we will have to 
have
>more regular meetings, then once per year. I say that those meetings
>alternate between Melbourne, Sydney & Brisbane, say 1 every 2 months.
>
>The yearly meeting, conference & other events could be alternated 
within
>each capital State. Under the Constitution, we could authorise 
Sub-Branches
>or Sub-Committees of the Assoc. so that each State / Territory may have 
its
>own regular meetings.  However, they may have to be registered in the
>state. But I have Dept Fair Trading looking at this for me.
>
>The way I would suggest it is:
>
>Australian Storm Chasers Society would be the Association.
>Then there could be:
>NSW Branch
>Victoria Branch
>QLD Branch
>SA Branch
>WA Branch
>NT Branch
>Tas Branch.
>
>Each Branch would be responsible for its own affairs, reportable to the
>executive & General Committee of the Association (which members of the
>Branches would be automatic members of).
>
>Each State would then only need
>
>President
>Secretary
>Treasurer
>
>for each Branch, responsible for collecting membership fees and
>recruitment. Policy and other directions would be then given by the
>Australian Assoc. to each State branch.
>
>Membership could include: Radar, Bi-Monthly Newsletter, Website, 
Minutes of
>all meetings being distributed.
>
>I would appreciate any replies asap. I will in the next few days 
develop a
>survey to determine how best the Assoc, will provide for the needs of 
its
>members.
>
>
>Yours In the Cell!
>Paul Mossman
>Taree.

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:55:17 +1100
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Hi there all.

I agree with Jimmy, and having meetings at different places is a great idea.
BUT the reason for the 1st meeting at Sydney is because that is where the
biggest concentration of chasers is. And thats what we need at the moment.

What about the meeting date of the 3.12.1998 at 6.30pm in Sydney?? Cmon
people, lets get motivated!

Paul

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Guys... No offense to anyone involved but please use the Aussie weather
emailing for just weather talk wherever possible. Occasionally it won't
matter but all the e-mails to Michael Bath (especially) who is archiving
them makes it more difficult for him.

Again no harm intended..:)

I hope you are watching the storm and rain development in Central - Eastern
NSW.

Jimmy Deguara
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Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Australian Storm Chasing Society.


>Paul,
>Sounds great!
>Yours in VR.
>Kevin.

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Whilst I appreciate that Michael has a mammoth task to collate all these
e-mails, I do take offence Jim. This is an open forum for all - Aussie
weather is not only the physical, but educational, and hypothetical. Weather
is more then a few clouds in the sky......

So lets not suppress what people want to say on this list, because it is for
all...not the few.

-----Original Message-----
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To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
Date: Thursday, 12 November 1998 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: aussie-weather: Australian Storm Chasing Society.


>Guys... No offense to anyone involved but please use the Aussie weather
>emailing for just weather talk wherever possible. Occasionally it won't
>matter but all the e-mails to Michael Bath (especially) who is archiving
>them makes it more difficult for him.
>
>Again no harm intended..:)
>
>I hope you are watching the storm and rain development in Central - Eastern
>NSW.
>
>Jimmy Deguara

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:16:14 -0800
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thanks 4 the reply Ben if you do happen to hear of any could you please let me
know
..... michael cross

Ben Tichborne wrote:

> > hi Ben-mick cross here.do you by any chance know if NZ ever has damaging
> hail
> > big enough to dent cars any info would be appreciated.
>
>  I remember a hailstorm south of Rotorua (where I used to live) back in
> October 1983, which smashed some car windscreens. The weather in Rotorua at
> the time was unsettled and showery, but I think there had been some
> sunshine earlier in the day.
> The situation at the time was an unstable southerly airflow - Rotorua is
> relatively sheltered from southerly quarter flows, but convective storms
> can easily occur in warmer seasons.
>  That is normally the case with severe hailstorms in NZ. They most commonly
> occur with cold outbreaks during the warmer seasons, when the ground has
> been warmed by the sun prior to the cold change. Such severe hail is
> relatively uncommon in NZ, but can occur quite frequently for certain
> periods, such as the summer of 1996/97, when colder southerly outbreaks
> occured more often than usual.

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Hey - don't worry about me archiving them - I like doing it as it gives me
a review of what has been discussed. No-one asked me to do it.

The emails I'm sure we all love to read are those containing detail of
what's happening: analysis of current and past weather events and accounts
of storm chasing - when we finally get some decent chasing that is :) Some
of us love charts, some satpics, others observations or everything! By
analysing what you have observed, read and seen, offer your thoughts and
forecasts to the list.

I rarely have time to look through all the model output and observations,
so when you guys have done that and send your forecasts etc to the list, it
is a great help to me and others. Keep them coming!

As to the setup of the Society, it does belong on this list until such time
that Paul M has established a distribution of those who want to be part of
it. After that, it can be communicated separately to the list.

Michael


At 22:08 12/11/98 +1100, you wrote:
>Whilst I appreciate that Michael has a mammoth task to collate all these
>e-mails, I do take offence Jim. This is an open forum for all - Aussie
>weather is not only the physical, but educational, and hypothetical. Weather
>is more then a few clouds in the sky......
>
>So lets not suppress what people want to say on this list, because it is for
>all...not the few.

*==========================================================*
 Michael Bath  Oakhurst, Sydney   mbath at ozemail.com.au
                 Australian Severe Weather
       http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 03:40:16 PST
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Hi every1,

I'm sorry if some of my e-mail may seem disjointed.
I think it's because different servers are delivering the mail at 
different times. Like tonight, for instance. I've been conducting 
conversations sequentially as the mail comes in...sometimes I'm reading 
answers to queries before the question arrives!
I feel that the aussie-weather list is a GREAT way to discuss 
meteorological happenings as they occur, but I don't think that that is 
the reality.
If turning it into a chat line is anathema, then set some rules! 
As I've said before, I only have intermittent net access, and I value 
the opinions, expertise, wisdom and just plain FUN! that I find in this 
group.
Where possible, I reply individually, but if I feel that the topic may 
be of general interest I post it.

Yours, in paranoia,
Kevin Phyland.

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:46:02 +1100
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Sorry guys,

I think the real meaning was not taken but not to worry. Keep the
conversation coming in but hopefully some action tomorrow and perhaps
overnight. I think part of the problem has been due to the arrival of
e-mails from previous days as Kevin said.

In terms of rules, Jacob I think had said something similar to what I had
mentioned but that was a few hundred e-mail messages back. I will try and
look for it....

Keep the thunder rolling!!!!!

Jimmy Deguara
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Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 10:40 PM
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>Hi every1,
>
>I'm sorry if some of my e-mail may seem disjointed.
>I think it's because different servers are delivering the mail at
>different times. Like tonight, for instance. I've been conducting
>conversations sequentially as the mail comes in...sometimes I'm reading
>answers to queries before the question arrives!
>I feel that the aussie-weather list is a GREAT way to discuss
>meteorological happenings as they occur, but I don't think that that is
>the reality.
>If turning it into a chat line is anathema, then set some rules!
>As I've said before, I only have intermittent net access, and I value
>the opinions, expertise, wisdom and just plain FUN! that I find in this
>group.
>Where possible, I reply individually, but if I feel that the topic may
>be of general interest I post it.
>
>Yours, in paranoia,
>Kevin Phyland.

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:52:27 +1100
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I have found the message Jacob had written which reflected feedaback at the
time

"Hi all,

The aussie-weather list has no been around for just over a month now and
I've been surprised by
the amount of interest we've had in it, and I never would have thought that
we would have as much as 40 people subscribed after only one month like we
have now, its been great! We've also had some really good dicussions so far.

I've also received some feedback by others on this list on how we should
make this list even
better!

Here are some ideas:

* less one liners back and forth
* encourage others to not reply to the list, but to individuals if there is
no benefit to most on the list - eg. it is not about weather, or it is a
specific request from someone about a PC question
* more emails with depth offering interesting reading to all

I agree with most of the feedback I've been getting and it would probably
be good to use some of these ideas, but remember, these are only ideas, we
don't have to use them.

Here in Perth right now (12:55pm WST), its sunny, not a cloud in the sky,
its 21.9C, winds ESE at 10km/h, 1028.4 hPA, and 32% RH.

The forecast is for 27C tomorrow, which would be our first day over 25C
since late
August.

Jacob"

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Subject: aussie-weather: seqld storm prospects
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:39:41 +1000
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Hi all - thought I'd update you all on the area's storm prospects.

Brisbane's forecast 9.35 qld time:

Cloudy.  Patchy light rain tonight but rain increasing on Friday with some
moderate falls developing.  Light to moderate NE winds.
Brisbane Airport for Friday     ... MIN  18   MAX  24 UV INDEX - 12 [Ex]
Outlook for Saturday   ... Rain breaking to showers and storms.  MAX  26
            Sunday     ... Mostly fine   MAX  28
            Monday     ... Mostly fine MAX28

Apparently an upper cold pool of air after the rain moves through should
keep conditions unstable with shrs or storms after the upper and surface
troughs move through.  Saturday could be interesting - yet so should Sun and
Mon for that matter.
Tomorrow's Toowoomba forecast is for rain breaking to shrs and storms during
the afternoon, followed by further shrs and storms on Sat.
I've got a feeling Monday could be a good storm day for NE NSW and SE
Qld --we'll see.

Let's all hope that we can finally have a prolonged storm situation across
Eastern Aus for some good chasing!  This is not likely to turn into a rain
situation like others.

Seeeeee ya
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James Chambers
jamestorm at ozemail.com.au
The Brisbane and SE Qld Storm Site
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